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Fashion Design

Post by ohenghee » Sat May 15, 2004 12:31 am

Just built a new fashion design site, looking for some feedback:


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Post by JimBb » Sat May 15, 2004 3:27 am

Hi Ohengee,

I'm sure you read the rules: don't ask for a review unless you've reviewed some other sites. This is a give-and-take community, not a location for free advertising...
And I guess you noticed that the ones that do take their time to give some honest feedback are the ones that get the most valuable hints and tips about their site.

Jim

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Post by CliveTEC » Sat May 15, 2004 5:11 pm

I am not sure that I should be reviewing your site as I have just read jims coomints, but maybe you could do a review on my site and some one elses to get back into his good books?
Anyway seeing as I have just spent so long loading your site I will give you my opinion anyway.
Lovely design, its just a pity that it takes far too long to load. When a site takes that long to load, I generally do not continue and go elsewhere. I am no expert but I am gessing that you could loose quite a bit of trade to those of us with mere 56K dialup connections?

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Post by ohenghee » Mon May 17, 2004 11:09 am

I actually did post reviews, but I wasn't logged-in

My bad.
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Post by grelmar » Mon May 17, 2004 11:48 am

Hmmmm... I'm gonna try and tread carefully here because you have a very nice looking site, you excell at something I tend to be a miserable failure at, and that's visual presentation.

Graphically, a very pleasing, slick, and "hip" looking site, which is very suited to your target audience.

Once I got the viewer up, I found it to be a neat way to show your designs. Kinda fun to play with.

Also, in spite of being Flash, your front page is reasonably light weight and quick loading.

First design issue (minor gripe):
I had to click "menu" to get the menu. Seems a little extraneous. I knowh your aiming for a clean design and good branding, and the menu seems like it would clutter things up a bit, but you only have three menu choices anyway, I don't see why not just have them be there, somewhere, instead of having to click to bring them up.

Second Design issue (not so minor gripe):
FLASH: And every problem that goes along with it. CliveTECH mentioned one problem, slow load times. I have broadband, so for me, notsomuch a big issue. I could tell by file size that it would be a slow slug on a dial up, or any non broadband connection. I've read many times that every second over 10 that your front page takes to load on a dial up, you lose 5% of your viewers. I didn't run your page through my page-weight checker, but at a rough guess, I think you're in the 15-20 second load time range on a dial up. There's a lot of hard marketing research into why quick load time is important on the net, and you should really, REALLY think about that.

Flash also creates compatibility issues. I know, your aiming at the young and hip, and this is a the market most likely to have flash installed on their machines, right? Err, not quite. A lot of the young and hip are anti Flash, for security reasons, and as a way of disabling some very annoying forms of advertising. Flash has its place, don't get me wrong, but that place is primarily for rich media development. I have a lovely Macromedia Flash Development Kit sitting on my computer, that's a joy to tinker with and sometimes I sit back and sigh and say to myself "Boy, this would be cool if everyone had broadband and used flash, I could do some really neat site effects with it." Then I shrug, make a stupid 10 second animation to amuse a few close friends, open up my HTML editor, and work on my site.

SERPS: (Search Engine Response Pages) Google doesn't "get" flash. Doesn't really no how to deal with it, so by and large, it ignores flash sites. Google is God. Don't piss off God.

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Post by ohenghee » Tue May 18, 2004 10:33 am

Thanks for your critique.

Flash is usually installed in most newer operating systems, so I don't think it is a huge compatibility issue, furthermore in terms of North America, broadband connectivity accounts for almost half of all Internet users. And if you use the Internet has a means for communication and/or commerce then broadband should be your choice.

As far as google goes, I still use meta tags on the HTML page that embeds the flash file, so google can still find my page when searches are conducted.

As far as load times go, I've done extensive research on other fashion sites from Europe & North America, and they're load times are pretty lengthy(compared to mine) because they are delivering a rich media experience. Personally, I don't mind waiting for something that has the intention of being good.

However, I'm currently re-developing the site with more features (greater product lines) .... so it might even be lengthier ...... however I'll try to reduce the file size as long as it doesn't compromise the experience
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Post by grelmar » Tue May 18, 2004 11:52 am

Actually, broadband now represents just OVER half the market. Which is a good sign and opens up a lot more options for advertisers.

If you understand the potential drawbacks of Flash, and are willing to forego them in favor of the many pluses of Flash, then you're doing the right thing.

My main concern with some of the people who go with flash based sites is that they don't see the risks they're taking. If you're aware of the risks, then you're more able to make an intelligent choice on the matter.

So, Flash aside, my only complaint was the menu, which is nit-picky.

Visually, its a very nice site. And it was easy to get around. So you have appearance and navigation down, which are two HUGE issues. So big win for you there.

As a side note:

Google ignores meta. It reads the content of your page. This is what Google sees when it looks at your page:

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[whitespacer.gif]

   [EMBED]
   [grayspacer.gif]
   [whitespacer.gif] 

   Ohenghee Creations
   Questions and/or comments? Contact Brandon or 416.728.4532
   Site conception by WondaMeko Media Group

                             Free Hit Counter

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Post by ohenghee2 » Wed May 19, 2004 1:11 pm

Are you sure google ignores meta tags? I find it odd that the number one search engine would ignore the tags, since it is a foundation principal of search engines

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Post by JimBb » Wed May 19, 2004 1:27 pm

The problem is that it is too easy to abuse meta-tags.
As far as I know meta-tags are being used, but only to gauge the relevance of other words it finds, like in alt-tags, text, headings (<h1> tags have more "weight" than ordinary text), comments, and so on. Using meta-tags alone is useless. Using a good description/keyword combination that matches the rest of that page is better.

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Post by grelmar » Wed May 19, 2004 2:59 pm

There's a whole industry that revolves around figuring out how Google views and sorts the web.

And Google keeps changing, err, "tweaking" the algorythm, which makes it even tougher to figure out what's going on.

Jim's right about why Google mostly ignores meta. Unfortunately the rest of us on the web are falling victim to the bad practices of nasty porn sites, phishing sites, spyware delivery sites, etc. Those people abused the heck out of meta, the search engines started to realize it, so now meta plays a smaller and smaller role in how ANY search engine views and sorts the web.

Not that you should ignore your meta tags, because it still plays a small part, and everything that drives a hit counts.

If I get some time this afternoon, I'm gonna post a brief article on the board about some of the info I've gathered, to maybe help a few people out.

A few months ago when I first started looking into how to make my site more search engine friendly, I was shocked to find that virtually every assumption I'd made previously was dead wrong. Part of this was the result that there are people in the Search Engine Optimization industry who purposefully disseminate bad info, because the more people who get it wrong, the better they look, and the more they can charge.

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Post by JimBb » Thu May 20, 2004 3:38 am

It took me 3 clicks to find out what your site is about. Only then I noticed that I should click the logo to have some info.
What I mean is that the accidental visitor will most likely not click on and "discover" you - which is in my view one of the main reasons for the existence of a website.
I watched your site in Mozilla. No problems noticed.
I tried Opera 7.11 (okay, not the latest, I know). The link to the viewer doesn't do anything, it just takes me back to the menu.
Then tried Internet Exploder, and I noticed a giant font at the front page. Smart Jim hadn't noticed that he had View|Text Size|Largest :roll: :D

About those fonts, or rather, the text: where are you from? What should I dial to reach you? I know you are expanding the site and I reckon your order page will have all that info, but if you put a phone number at the front page it's a good idea to tell which country to dial.

One detail (though I hadn't noticed it until I asked my Mozilla some "page info"): you have some code like the following:
<img src="file:///G|/DTP%204th/FlashClass/Portfolio/HTML/images/whitespacer.gif" width=1 height=1>
Don't think that will work..

On the bright side, I guess it's been said - and it's the one strong side of Flash - your site is graphically appealing. The sound effects are limited (overdoing it is one of the things that gives Flash sites a bad name) and not disturbing, just enough to get my attention. The other effects (the way the menu is built for example) also stay at the right side of that thin line between good taste and overdoing it. The only thing I would improve is the number of steps it takes to view things, and giving a small explanation about what this site is about in a more obvious spot.

Jim

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Post by JimBb » Thu May 20, 2004 3:40 am

By the way, your keywords are within the "body" area of your page, they should be in the "head" section.

Jim

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Re: Fashion Design

Post by LincolnLyons » Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:02 am

I agree on Jim, Having a good competent site, you must have a good quality website in order for the client to catch up their attention. I'm talking about good quality of content and keyword, presentable home page and quality designed logo.










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Re: Fashion Design

Post by proj1 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:25 am

I have so many templates of fashion designing.
did you need any example?

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